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We’ve got just the thing to cure your weekly gaming hangover… every Saturday morning, Hair of the Dog compiles a round-up of interesting Naughty Dog and UNCHARTED 2 links from around the web.

By arne | Twitter @arnemeyer | Saturday November 21 2009

We’ve got just the thing to cure your weekly gaming hangover… every Saturday morning, Hair of the Dog compiles a round-up of interesting Naughty Dog and UNCHARTED 2 links from around the web.

Reflecting on UNCHARTED 2: How They Did It - Gamasutra
Kris Graft talks to Co-Lead Game Designer Neil Druckmann to discuss the development of UNCHARTED 2, what it feels like now that we’re done with the game and the reception the game has gotten from game critics and our fans alike.

Vote today for PlayStation’s 17 VGA Nominees - PlayStation.blog
SPIKE TV announced their nominees for the SPIKE 2009 VGA Awards and the PlayStation family received 17 nominations across a broad range of categories. We’re real happy to say that UNCHARTED 2 leads all the PlayStation title—actually have more nominations than any other game—with a record 8 nominations, including Game of the Year.

UNCHARTED 2 dev talks Twitter - GameSpot AU
GameSpot Australia chats with me about the Twitter feature in UNCHARTED 2 and how we’re using social media to stay in touch with our fans and get their feedback on our game.

Social Media Fires Up Video Game Marketing - MediaPost
Earlier this week, I spoke at a panel hosted by Digital LA about video game marketing along with Tracy Williams (Activision), Benjamin Collier (THQ) and Nick Williams (OTX Research). Hosted by Kevin Winston, the panel covered a broad range of aspects of marketing, from planning out campaigns with multiple titles, to dealing with leaks and, of course, about leveraging social media.

Win a copy of UNCHARTED 2 from Talking About Games! - Talking About Games
Don’t have UNCHARTED 2 yet? Talking About Games is giving one away in a contest. Entering is easy—you just have to sign up for their UNCHARTED 2 game night, to be held at 8:00 PM EST on Saturday, December 5. They are accepting entries until 6:00 PM EST on November 30 and all entries are automatically registered to win a copy of the game.

Hey Ash, Whatcha Playin’: UNCHARTED 2 - Destructoid
Destructoid’s comedy video series about video games, Hey Ash, Whatcha Playin’, takes a good, extremely Firefly-laden analytical look at some story themes UNCHARTED 2 suspiciously shares with a cult hit TV show.

Is It Time For the Academy To Consider Video Games? - ThreeMinds
On their ThreeMinds blog, digital agency Organic—who developed the LittleBigWorkshop website—posts a mini-review of UNCHARTED 2. Writer Brad Mancuso thinks we did a whole bunch of things right to really earn our “cinematic” game badge.

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Posted by: PeteX19 on 11-21-2009

ND if you truly read over the forums, blog comments and Tweets why don’t you fix the 40k penalty issue.

The amount of people myself included that have received 40k penalties for connection errors and PS3’s freezing is rediculous.

At the moment your not deterring quitters your deterring everyone who plays the multiplayer. Sort it out soon ND before players stop playing altogether.

Posted by: PeteX19 on 11-21-2009

Just because my internet goes down shouldn’t mean a game punishes me for it.

Besides I played 3hrs of MW2 multiplayer straight and didn’t loose connection once.

It’s obvious you feel this way because it hasn’t happened to you. But for alot of players, its annoying and frustrating as hell to see your progress wiped for no good reason.

Don’t get me wrong I love the game but there are better options than a 40k penalty.

Posted by: DChalmes on 11-21-2009

Same, I play U2 and get connection errors 95% of the time, then I go play something like WarHawk and I have a ping of 90....

it’s really annoying and I know my internet is not to blame, and even if it was, would you not be pissed if lost a lot of earnings due to connection errors? I think so.

Posted by: ZBlacktt on 11-22-2009

Eternal21, awh, please don’t be so clueless. A connection drop is something that just happens. Just because the issue has not happen to you. Does not mean it’s not happening to others. So don’t sit here and defend the dev’s problem of not fixing the issue. It happen to me last night and I lost 40k. It’s happen to me before that too and I lost 40k. The game has also froze on the screen and I lost 40k for that as well. So there is a problems with this penalty.

Rather than cover it up or just look past it. It’s better to come here and address it so they can come up with a better way. Which I already know of one. I have over 140 hours in the online. I’m level 51 and have over 35,000 kills. I know this game very well I think. It can be made better so that more players don’t leave like they have.

Posted by: xii_gloryFADES on 11-23-2009

Not all Warhawk servers are Sony-dedicated.

UC2 does have connection problems. I’ve played the above mentioned game, CoD4, Battlefield, and a slew of other MP games and never had disconnects.. but it happened somewhat regularly to me or friends on Uncharted 2. Just my .02.

Posted by: lichterloh on 11-23-2009

ZBlacktt, I’ve been in two co-op objective matches with you and both times you went “I don’t want to play on easy” and suddenly you had a “connection error”.

I very much prefer Crushing myself, but still, that reeks more of quitting than a physical connection problem, don’t you think?

Posted by: wlchrbandit on 11-23-2009

I have the highest connection possible in my area, tops at about 6.5Mb, but between like 4pm and 9pm it drops to about 1Mb. This aint my fault, I have just stopped playing U2 since they implemented this!

Posted by: DCaff on 11-24-2009

Its not always a fixing your internet problem...i have great internet but sometimes i just get dropped or the ps3 freezes, so your an exception..you should still want them to fix it....and 40k is ridiculous, once they did that i quit playing..it is to harsh. Uncharted was my fav multiplayer game but to mw2 it is were they give a normal penalty

Posted by: arne on 11-21-2009

Currently we’re confident we’ve made the right decision regarding penalties for leaving the match—remember you don’t get docked any cash for the FIRST time. We’re keeping a close eye on in-game stats and forums and we will make adjustments if and when we feel they are warranted.

Posted by: PeteX19 on 11-21-2009

Thanks Arne for replying at least I know where ND stands on this now.
My first time was on day one of the update, which resulted in a time delay as you said it would. So the safety net of that is little use to me now.

The second followed a few matches later exactly the same way as the first, I will tell you all the details. It consisted of the match starting but grenades didn’t go off, some players floated around the map, I was unable to pickup any weapons and kills were not registered. A few minutes in and the game ended, and one of the other players was highlighted in black on the results board(he must of ended the game). I pressed circle to go back to the main menu, on returning to the multiplayer I had a 40K penalty.

This example happens to me alot but now it usually ends in the game freezing and me having to reset the PS3.

Can you at least tell me why this happens?

Its a shame your not doing anything about the 40k issue. A number of people on my friends list have already traded in the game because of this. Missing out on potential DLC and the replay value of the single player.

I have just dropped from level 47 to 46 and don’t see the point in playing the game in its current state.

With respect I don’t know how many comments on this issue (which plague every post you release Arne) are needed before its seen as a wrong decision by Naughty Dog. Hopefully it will be ratified at some point, until then the game will go on the shelf gathering dust.

Posted by: bLOOdTyPeX on 11-21-2009

Do you guys play ranked matches who are experiencing the penalty?

From my experience I have gotten the connection error few times after the update and no $40K penalty… BUT I just play the all competitive mode and not ranked.

Also I agree with PeteX19 this is hurting the online community the numbers have drastically dropped only 6k people are online on weekends and even less weekdays. This basically sucks because I LOVE the multiplayer.... Bring on the DLC!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PeteX19 on 11-21-2009

Hey bLOOdTyPeX

I play mainly Co Op Arena, TDM and Objectives. It has happened three times on ranked mode for me.

Co Op Arena seems the worst for Connection Errors in my experience, saying that it is the mode I play the most.

Posted by: ZBlacktt on 11-22-2009

PeteX19, yep that’s where I play as well ( Co-Op’s ) and yes it is a problem. Despite arne saying it’s not an issue. I guess the USERS are just wrong and we love the 40k loss huh. What happens here is this. If you enter a game and some lame kid wants to team kill you for no reason and you’ve had enough and leave the game. Then on your next game you get a game freeze or game connection error. Then yes you are docked the 40,000 points for NO fault of your own. There is a better way and I would think ND could come up with the answer. I know of one that’s an easy fix for all.

Posted by: mgsguy on 11-21-2009

Hi arne. I just wanted to address something that happened to me while I was playing online. It is true that I have quit a game once. But the second time, it was for no good reason. The match was over, and right after the match, I turned my PS3 off. (Not the best idea, by the way) The next day I got a message that said that I lost 40k. I don’t understand. The match was over, as in, it was on the leader board. You have no control over anything during that time, so why is this considered quiting a game?

Posted by: J32-J32 on 11-21-2009

I lost 80k tonight after playing for 4 hours. I think it is not right to deduct 40K everytime the internet connection goes down. It is right to deduct 40K if a player leaves the game. Would a bank charge its customers a fee for every transaction that was not completed at no fault of their own? Get it right! Do the right thing! If you claim that you are monitoring the game stats then please give me my 80K back.

J32-J32.

Posted by: lichterloh on 11-23-2009

I’ve played a few hours of co-op every day for the last weeks and I can attest that the penalties have not had much if any influence on people’s quitting.

That said, most of the quitters in co-op are green-badges, fewer blue, so I reckon the majority are first-time offenders.

I’m moderately supportive of the idea of a quitting penalty but in co-op it just doesn’t work, unfortunately.

Posted by: BODACIOUS34 on 11-23-2009

Honestly, I could care less about the penalty for leaving(due to the fact that myself and some of my friends all play under my account, I’m not particulary worried about the stats and what not) Anyway, there is obviously some sort of connection issues with the game because it’s the only one that I have problems with… Don’t fret though, it’s not going to keep me/us from playing, but it definitely would raise the enjoyment factor if we could play more than 5 or so rounds without being disconnected for syncing errors and so on…

Anyway, what I’m getting at, is that if ya’ll could possibly detect what the problem(s) might be and could fix them.....taaadaaa!!!!! No more complaining from all of these people, plus me and my buds can get back down to business, melting the barrel off of the M-4....

So that’s my 2 cents… Thanks for all the hard work you guys have done for us, the game is awesome with problems or not and I appreciate the time and effort ya’ll have given us already

Thanks,

BKB

Posted by: BODACIOUS34 on 11-23-2009

*edit*

Forgot to say this above, I understand where the people are coming from about being penalized for bad connections. If I was playing for stats and all, it would be a definite bummer to lose points/rank after an unintentional disconnect (yes they happen, frequently). I’m just saying that if there is a way to fix the connection problems on ND’s/PSN’s end, it would kill two birds with one stone, 1. People being deducted points and 2. Steady game play. 1+2= Tons of fun chaos and less complaints… sounds like an all around good deal to me

Just wanted to say that before any trophy addicts started to hose me

Keep up the good work ND

Posted by: NotSoSilent on 11-24-2009

Sucks that you people are not listening to what the Community is calling for. I played the game till the Halloween Title update and Havn’t played since. Played 5 games that day and lost 3 levels because I get stuck with Bad people hosting the game and then get dropped. ND might make good games but they SUCK for making updates.

Posted by: DCaff on 11-24-2009

Well if that is were naughty dog stands on the issue then yall can kiss my as$...there are far to many good multiplayer games out there like mw2, gears of war, and halo to put up with that kind of bullshit...yall just lost my vote for game of the year and i will be trading it in for something that is fun and fair..

Posted by: clone555 on 11-25-2009

Arne, you guys screwed up and you know it. The reason people are complaining so much is because they get fined when the game fails. And it fails in many ways.

We see dozens of complaints here about lost connections. And we see others pointing fingers and telling players to go sort out their connections. Introducing this type of penalty in a peer-to-peer game with obvious connectivity instability issues was a poor call. Whether they are users network/router/broadband provider problems or not is besides the point. The fact is connectivity is unstable for many players for many reasons. I sincerely doubt you even though about how connection errors would lead to penalties… You missed that, and you know it.

Even if I have a good connection, and I play through and never quit, we hear stories now that if I am playing a co-op game, and the host leaves, then we get a ‘connection error’, and every player gets a penalty? Again, I sincerely doubt you thought of this scenario. You missed that one guys and you know it.

And even if the connectivity issues were not a problem, you never even considered why people hit the quit button. Problems with match making and stacking teams of high level players against new players is just one of the reasons people quit.

There really must be a better way.

Posted by: vermontboarder on 11-24-2009

Maybe it’s already been discussed but the number of online players has dropped off significantly since they started this silly policy. What was 20K appears to average around 6k. I’m sure many of those were first-timers just trying out the multi-player and deciding they didn’t like it but that’s still a huge drop of online players in what was supposed to be such a huge title, game of the year..blah blah..etc..etc.

I saw a quarter million people playing MW2 multi-player. But who’s comparing, right?

I don’t quit matches anymore. If (God Forbid!!) something in my life comes up that’s more important than watching Chloe’s sweet butt swinging back/forth....I just put down the controller and walk away. Sorry folks. I hate it too and don’t want to do that to my team mates but keeping this policy is completely ego-driven. It was a bad, knee-jerk decision, yet ND will not come forward, admit they over-reacted, listen to their CUSTOMERS and fix the problem.

ND: Are you listening?? THIS...IS....A....GAME. Nothing more. In 6 months, it will be a dinosaur. If you don’t believe me, go count the used copies of Fallout3 at your local Gamestop.

And all the people saying how their connection is better and “maybe if you upgraded”....you’re kidding me, right? Last time I checked, my computer/modem/PS3 used electricity. I know this may be hard to believe but I’ve heard that some homes actually lose their power from time to time, often without warning, due to...oh...silly things like storms, wind...rain. But c’mon...like that’s really going to happen in the middle of a match.

God, are you listening? Can you put that storm on hold for a few more minutes. I’m about to level-up.

Posted by: Thecooktom on 01-10-2010

I received 3 40k penalties because of 2 conection errors and the game frezzing in one day. Then once more the day after. I am really pissed. I love the game but that type of thing makes me want to play something else. Ps THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY INTERNET CONNECTION!!

Posted by: BODACIOUS34 on 11-23-2009

that would be nice… hell i wouldn’t mind playing with the same people over and over again (different maps of course) since after rounds during the “finding players” screen is when i have the majority of my connection problems. rather than having to quit the game to reconnect yadda yadda yadda. i dont care if the teams are unevenly matched or not, at least i’m playing the game and not spending most of my time trying to find another… if you can’t tell, i just wanna play the game, not really into the stats, medals and malarky

So, that’s 2 more cents ND, ya’ll owe me $.04, i’ll take cash (exact change only), or just a check made out to CASH, whatever’s easier…

Posted by: jsgamer60 on 11-22-2009

I have the platinum trophy. No matter how my router is configured I can not stay connected to the server which causes me to be penalized. I love the game, but multi player is no fun to me if you can not advance in level’s. ND thank you for a great game,but I will be trading this in.

Posted by: VibeVitor on 11-22-2009

I had 40K deducted because the matchmaking put me into a coop Arena by myself and then once the map had loaded I was kicked out. Next time I turned on my PS3, I had the penalty. I had no other connection issues that day so it must have been because of that game.

While I don’t think that the diminished community is a result of this penalty (MW2 being released recently anyone?) and think it’s not a bad idea, the fact that it will unjustly penalise people for issues with the Matchmaking system is frankly ludicrous and really needs to be fixed.

I’ll keep playing as I love the game (and am desperately hoping for some Coop DLC...) but this seems like a pretty big problem

Posted by: JayLowe on 11-22-2009

I agree completely with PeteX19 - and it’s a real, real shame that ND are currently being so stubborn on this issue when so many people are voicing their concerns about it.

I’ve watched all of the bonus bits of material that came with Uncharted 2, about ND and how they’re a small, close-knit community who love to make fun games for people - well I’m sorry but, as much as I love you as a company, you’re wrong on the $40k issue and you’re not making the game fun - you’ve turned it into a huge turn-off.

Yeah, fair enough, punish those who CHOOSE to quit the game - but don’t punish those who receive Connection Errors through no fault of their own. If it is a person’s Internet connection that’s the problem, well that’s fair enough and that’s their fault - but personally speaking, I’ve lost money due to problems at YOUR end, where the game has froze and I’ve been taken back to the results page for the two teams. Why should I be punished for YOUR error? It just completely ruins it, because I’m not willing to spend hours earning money just for you to take it away from me for no reason.

It’s ok saying you don’t receive the penalty the first time, but when it happened to me, I had two games on the run freeze - causing me to get a penalty, even though my Internet was completely fine and connected the entire time.

I hate to moan because it is such an awesome game, probably the best game I’ve played in my life, but surely there’s a fairer way to issue penalties? Such as if there’s a Connection Error or the game freezes, don’t allow those to count - only if a player quits via PSN as the game is loading, or if a player chooses the quit option midway. Because surely there’s got to be a way of differentiating between those who choose to quit and those who are innocent...?

Posted by: JayLowe on 11-22-2009

Also, any news on the well documented glitches in Ice Cave, Plaza and Village? Just wondering, because until last week I never even knew they existed. Just don’t them to gain popularity and become a serious issue, because there are videos all over YouTube regarding them.

Posted by: bLOOdTyPeX on 11-22-2009

I recently was r@ped in sniper rifle and pistols deathmatch in Ice Cave… being shot through walls and being pulled down from the floor so I watched the match through cinema mode and this idiot ran straight to that stop numerous times getting cheap kills. Please fix this issue now there are youtube videos around showing people how to glitch the maps.

Posted by: INMATEofARKHAM on 11-22-2009

I’m probably getting ready to jinx myself but I’ve logged in over 73 hrs of MP game play and this morning I even had 3 or 4 matches in a row were everyone in the room had 1 bar!

And one of those players was even in the same city as me!

Now, I froze a multitude of times, I wasn’t having much fun, but I never ONCE got bumped from a game. (A reboot of my rooter and modem later and I was back to as good as new.)

Honestly, I’m not sure how people are having legitimate problems staying connected over the course of one hour…

Granted, I don’t think the system is prefect. I personally would like to see the penalty removed from deathmatch (because why should your teammates be penalized if your K:D ration is sucking so bad that you want out. Or if you have a ‘legitimate’ drop.) and have it only in place in the more ‘team based’ games like Plunder, King of the Hill, Chain Reaction, etc.

Anyhow, Arne (and the rest of ND), its good to see the site get updated more regularly again.)

Posted by: i8urcookie on 11-22-2009

Arne can we have the 50k cap raised or removed?

I know you’ve stated before that you don’t want to remove it so people don’t level up too fast but at least consider bumping it up. Maybe to 100k or 200k. Pretty please. Or do like no cap weekend, where for 2-3 days you remove it like the double XP weekend.

Posted by: KylieDog on 11-22-2009

Almost nobody I know, myself included play this game online anymore. The quit/disconnect/numbe rof thigns outside player control penalty is the reason.

Well done ND, you killed your own game. Uncharted 3 is a rent.

Posted by: KylieDog on 11-22-2009

Oh, it is also great how at the start of a Elimination match a teammate can throw a greande, teamkill entire team and we are forced to start a new round 2 times more witht he same thing because if we quit we get -40k.

Posted by: Draak3000 on 11-22-2009

Please Naughtydog remove the damn $40k penalty. I don’t lose connection that often but If I do lose connection it’s 2 in a row and then I lose $40k again. I’ve lost about $240,000 so far and I no longer play online because of this.

Posted by: All2000 on 11-22-2009

1.Why are people quitting the game before the match ends?
o. I cant peak up a shit;
o. I got to go;
o. Conation drop;
o. Game freeze;
o. A Guy on that particular match sucks.

2. Do people have the right to quit a match at the time they decide to do so?

o. They have for sure!
o. Why not?
o. Should I keep playing without fun?
o. Isn’t this just a game?
o. All players are drop out? But that is a game issue! Not a player issue!

3. Should people quitting a match, by any reason, be punished?

o. Give me just one good reason for that?!
o. Will Game industry start controlling player’s time?!
o. Are the game players rewarded to keep the game fun?
o. Didn’t I pay for the games?
o. Are ND f****** playing with me?

4. Have ND stated before releasing that anyone leaving a match without finishing it should be punished (steal) with 40k?

o. No;
o. Don’t think so;
o. That is stilling;
o. That is cheating;
o. That was the easy way to address an U2 issue.

5. ND addresses the game issue at the very easy way. At the Player’s side!

o. if you don’t keep it fun we punish (steal) you 40K;
o. If you don’t like it leave it.

6. How to fix this issue?

o. ND should address this issue in a responsible way;
o. No players should be punished for the mistakes of game maker;
o. ND should have consideration for those they need… customers;
o. Fixing game issues should never be at the consumers side specially when that brings punishing;
o. Stilling virtual many is indeed a crime punished by law;
o. ND should learn from others game makers;
o. ND Should listen what consumers are telling them;
o. Drop the game at the near garbage can and forget it;
o. Ask money back;
o. Address the case to a lawyer;

thanks

Posted by: Daddio_au on 11-23-2009

Played this baby in deathmatch for over eighty hours and the only penalty I’ve had was because of a lighning strike knocking out power.
40k is a bit steep. Back it off to 10k (one good game for the average-to-good player), And more surprise weekends. I’m looking forward to running around in a skelington outfit with a Santa hat on !!! Awesome game despite the 40k issue. Can we have a fart taunt with a puff of gas from Drake’s butt? Please?

Posted by: shosho1019 on 11-23-2009

fix the isues nd. 40k penalty is stupid. most ppl who get the conection error lose money for no reason. and u arne mayer u say we are confdent that we made the wright decision. lol i quit any chain reaction or turf war .pointless game mode. u dont get any money and no exp the game lasts 3 min max. whats the point in that? why would i play 3 mins? and get 300$? for 3 min of a game? i only play plunder and deatchmatch. where u can make some money. fix this issues nd. i allready see from 12 000 players online is down to 2300 players. fix this or ppl just will leave if u dont fix stuff.

Posted by: shosho1019 on 11-23-2009

hope u will lisen to ppl nd and fix some stuff. ill give it till x mas. till dlc comes out. and hope things will change. if u dont change stuff. u lost another player online. think on nd. surley 2500 player online is bad ratings for you from 12,ooo. so fix things plaunder is fun all ppl play plunder.

Posted by: Winterized on 11-23-2009

Naughty Dog, I feel you are right making a penalty of quitting a match, but you should seperate the difference between quitting matches and getting disconnected from them. I do feel people should fix their connections but not everyone is able to. I just don’t want to see the game lose dedicated players because of this issue.

Posted by: Winterized on 11-23-2009

It’s very good that players don’t get docked any cash from leaving the game the FIRST TIME. But getting disconnected from the game happens often and even though players don’t lose any cash the FIRST TIME they will probably a few hours later because players get disconnected from the game freuently.

Posted by: H8_is_Bad on 11-23-2009

Hello.. In the past i’ve been plagued by the 40k penalty due to either my connection dropping, game freezing, or someone quitting in co-op.

The penalty is not working.. People are still quitting and people will still quit and leave all the penalty does is punish innocent players that do not wish to quit.. about a month ago when the penalty ssytem was first introduced it said the only people that would get the penalty was people that voluntarly quit people that lost connection, people thats game freezes and people that are forced out of a co-op game cause someone leaves gets the penalty also and that is not fair!

I have since quit uncharted 2 as it is completely unfair due to me losing a rank and 40k about 3 times.. Only time i will play uncharted 2 now is when their is double xp or when the DLC comes out.. I have no real reason to play since MW2 came out about half of the U2 online community went over to MW2 and you guys at ND aren’t trying to do anything to get your fans back and new fans also..

The only real solution to the quitting/losing connection problem is to re-create your system like the one in call of duty series where when someone leaves they can be replaced.

Posted by: kroete69 on 11-23-2009

Everythin is said in the above comments. I add only this entry, as annother statement to show ND that this is not only a problem of a few bad connected guys!

Please ND, do something, or you will lose anntoher U2 player.

Posted by: sulphury on 11-23-2009

Damn ND… this is BIG. I dont personally have any connection issues, but you got to just take it off. Just get over yourselves and admit it was abad decision. Change it, i dont want my favorite mp game to become a ghost town. PLEASE! i wanna keep owning thousands of different noobs… not hundreds. or why dont you reduce the penalty, say 5k thats reasonable. IM SAYING THIS AND I NEVER GET PENALIZE

Posted by: RJBrian on 11-23-2009

Penalty Question: How does it actually work? I know that you don’t loose any cash the first time you quit & every time after that its 40k, but is that for total game play or does it restart every time you log in? Just wondering, thanks.

PS. U2 ROX!!!

Posted by: All2000 on 11-23-2009

Men you should know that ND has no time to read this UNORGANIZED blog!

They are just groggy looking at the wall where they think they can stick a “Game of the year” award.

Are they asking us to vote for U2 and ND award?!

Sure! All of us should give them a 40K penalty.

thanks

Posted by: whoTHEdog on 11-23-2009

I just posted this up at N4G and a couple people liked it so I thought I say it to you guys

I say if you quit, you can’t start another game till the original game you joined ends and lose any points you earned in the original game.

but my original comment was

“I can see both sides, I say if you quit, you can’t start another game till that one ends, lose any points you gained that match, and have to eat bull testicles.”

Posted by: All2000 on 11-23-2009

I don’t think that will fix it…

That means One will be kept out of the game 30 minutes plus just because connection drops; MEN!?

1. People should be permitted to leave a match at any time they want without penalty;

2. The ones that leave it will lose all points earned on that match;
And by that reason …

3. The match shouldn’t be dropped; instead should be presented to the players an option to “vote” if they want drop the match; if team decide to drop it then they should keep all point earned and start a new match right away; so no penalty for anyone;

4. ND should consider let people join at the meddle of a match;

5. ND should “STOP RIGHT NOW” the penalty system; because what make a ND a game awarded dreamer is all of us; and we all are kindly asking for that.

Thanks

Posted by: whoTHEdog on 11-24-2009

I guess I wasn’t thinking about Co-op games, maybe than a timer that adds a certain amount of time every time you quit, so if you quit a few games, at first it is not bad but if you keep quiting it will add up to minutes of waiting to play again. I think people that quit because they are losing do need to stop, I understand that a drop in out would fix this, but I also see flaws in that, and, call it a hunch, I think they would have a hard time implementing a drop in out feature, not saying I am correct, just me speculating. I play team deathmatch and its sucks when you start a game up and the score gets to 20-5 and than 2 people on your team leave, now if they did implement a drop in drop out feature, I would hate to join a match for very little game time, only to lose and ruin my stats. But I do see both sides to this, and it sucks that some players are being punished for having legitimate reasons of leaving.

Posted by: animoe on 11-24-2009

I have to say i’m not bothered with the 40K issue. I played UC online since it came out and i only had 2 connection errors, for whatever reason.
I’m glad it’s there because it targets the players with bad connections. I’ve seen strange things happen due to enormous LAG and mostly, those laggers didn’t finish the game.
Playing people from China or Brazil has been the worst so far as the drop dead with a delay of about 2 seconds!! No chance to melee in that case and even if you try, you’ll both die. THAT! is an issue i’m concerned about.
The 50K Cap should also be removed in my oppinion. I don’t want a game to limit my speed of process. I could easily do 150-200K on a good round, so why don’t you let me?? I don’t cheat, i don’t lag, i don’t glitch so why don’t you let me get the points i’m capable of getting? Nah, rather than that, you have me playing to 60 Million points in Slow-Mo.

Overall it’s really brilliant game and the devil’s in detail guys. Since MW2 came out, you have an average of about 5.000 players online whilst before it’s been like 9.000.

Don’t let us down on the multiplayer!!

Posted by: Panayot-74 on 11-24-2009

I can’t believe. In minute ago player SAMURAI-the3d get offline and i saw this damn “connection error”. But it’s not my fault! And after that i get this absolutely stupid penalty! For what? What i’m doing wrong? I say to you, ND! My big mistake is buy this game! Thanks, ND. :E

Posted by: BarackObama_1337 on 11-24-2009

I have to agree completely. I know these complaints are probably falling on deaf ears at ND, but I will add to the list of complainers. I haven’t touched the online portion of the game since I got hit with the penalty. It is completely demoralizing to play 3 or 4 matches, only to have all your hard work raped away from you, because of one bad connection to a host, and or a life emergency that requires that you quit. I payed 60 dollars for this game, and I can’t decide to leave a match at my own leisure. It’s just terrible. I’ve been team killed with grenades etc when you find yourself on the losing team. It’s just. So. Terrible. Please retract the penalty and allow people to quit if they like. :/

Posted by: shosho1019 on 11-24-2009

any plans for the thanksgiving holidays? like treble cash weekend? or week cuz thanksgiving is thu.. also nd fix some things make plunder its own category, and get rid of chain reaction and turf war its pointless, no ppl want to playa 3 min game. happy holidays all

Posted by: All2000 on 11-25-2009

This is all ND have to say!?

“Currently we’re confident we’ve made the right decision regarding penalties for leaving the match…”

“…We’re keeping a close eye on in-game stats and forums and we will make adjustments if and when we feel they are warranted”.

What the ****!?

Are You really confident?!

Are You keeping a close eye?! …Or just keeping the eyes closed?

And what about feeling? Aren’t you feeling it yet?

I said and I’m telling it again

People should be permitted to leave a match at any time they want without any penalties; it’s a Right we have and we don’t give it up.

Open your eyes … do it right… fix you game issue! But Let me manage may own time! Please…

Thanks

Posted by: Maxim9 on 11-25-2009

I am supporting ND for the penalty system. Gamers are free to leave games if they want, but there must be a system to deter them from doing it. Now if they have to leave, they should be clever enough to understand, and to calm down. It’s only virtual money !!!

Posted by: clone555 on 11-25-2009

It’s not just virtual money, it is central to the whole MP experience. By earning cash, I can unlock boosters. better Boosters (if used wisely) can give me an advantage that leads to more wins and (because we like to win sometimes) more fun! Progression of both skill and unlockable advantages is a core component of the Uncharted 2 multiplayer experience.

Also, taking that much cash from new players has an even bigger impact because they may earn very little per game. So new players are punished even harsher.

Posted by: Maxim9 on 11-25-2009

Clone555 your point is right also!! I think cheating is a difficult and important point to face. Maybe 40K is too much (especially as regards new players). However ND is doing a great job, and there are trying to find a solution. It is a really good start from them, and I just wanted to point out that people should just stop (always) complaining about the penalties and just play. Rather than complaining about the 40k, people should complain about gamers who are always searching for new ways of cheating.
That is why for the moment, I prefer the 40k penalty than nothing.

Posted by: PeteX19 on 11-26-2009

How is ND finding a solution

Arne
‘Currently we’re confident we’ve made the right decision regarding penalties for leaving the match’

That sounds to me like they think they have found the best solution.

I would prefer an update which removes the 40k penalty and glitches that cheaters exploit than a fat drake. They are both equally important as far as I’m concerned.

Leaderboards and a new map are a good improvement I must admit. Its a shame people have already traded the game in or won’t play the game because of the 40k or glitches issue.

Posted by: Timmay_86 on 11-25-2009

As much as I hate when people leave the game before the end of the match, I also believe that the 40k penalty is too much. I was given one of these because I left the game, but I did not leave because I was playing badly. I left because I couldn’t play at all. Sometimes the game freezes out my controls so I can’t do anything except sit and wait to get killed. This is not enjoyable. Strangely it’s only these controls which are affected, I can still use the menu. Is this a common problem?

Posted by: clone555 on 11-25-2009

Timmay,

It’s a problem reported many times. I believe it is caused by network lag but ND have made very little comment on the issue. I’ve experienced it many times, though less so lately.

It’s annoying because the lag may actually be due to the host having a laggy connection, and not your fault at all.

This is another common reason people leave games, and ND have ignored the issue and instead they give penalties…

Posted by: wheskeydean on 11-25-2009

I have a wired connection that i have to drag from my living room to my bed room. I also have a large dog that stays inside. 3 times last night, my dog tripped over the cable and i got disconnected....as far as i know I haven’t lost any money, but i don’t like the idea of losing money for something like that. I also WILL NOT pay for a wireless router just to play your game online, as much as I love it. I won’t stop playing the game either, it is the best game on the market, but if this continues i will definitely be playing multiplayer less, as i could see losing money getting very frustrating. Maybe you could change the policy to something like this: if you leave a game 3 times in one night, then you lose 40K. That seems a little more reasonable. Anyway, i hope you put the baseball jersey drake up as DLC!!!!

Posted by: I--AdepT--I on 11-25-2009

Wait a minute. Before people were complaining about people leaving during matches. ND implements the 40k penalty to fix this. Now people are complaining about that… Now I’ll admit that I have not been stuck with the penalty, but ND can’t please everyone. Maybe if players could somehow join late to fill the spots, but if I lose 40 grand, I’ll just earn it back.

Posted by: dek86s on 12-19-2009

the problem is that when is not your fault why you need to be punished???? whyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????????????? CONNECTION ERROR, is not my connection!! killzone 2 never get a connection error! ND you have to lear from guerrilla, you know what is a single player game but you don’t know what a multiplayer game is!

Posted by: DBurgC on 12-26-2009

Hi Naughty Dog!

Well, I am connected to the internet via a wired DSL modem (need to switch it between my computer and PS3), and 2 nights ago found myself in a situation where (for the first time in a long while!) my modem would drop the connection on me and like 3 times in a row. I didnt’t think of it being a biggie, eventhough it annoyed me because I would have liked to get my earned points because I LOVE TO PLAY IT and RAISE MY LEVEL! I NEVER drop out of a game intentionally, NEVER, you hear!?!? So, after I got re-connected I gave it another chance, but after awhile got disconnected again (I don’t know but that day I obviously had a modem issue going on!) and got a 40.000 $ penalty plus a downranking!! And optimistic as I am I thought “Well, won’t happen again hopefully” I gave it a last try and got shit again! End of story: lost 80.000 $, got a downranking of 2 (dropped from 24 to 22) and quit playing the multiplayer. And since I’m trough the singleplayer 3 times already, got 100% of the trophies I seriously think about giving the game away since I don’t see any reason to play multiplayer anymore if I have to be afraid everytime I play online my hard-earned $ and ranks are treated without any respect by you. Great game, but your penalty system is the MOST UNFAIR shit I have ever seen! Karsten from Germany

PS: Sorry to all the users on here for that long story of mine

Posted by: bwiqui on 01-07-2010

Connection errors---
Thinking of posting these movies to youtube. As the game drops out or freezes mid way.
What about the people who glitch, there are still glitches in the game that have not been fixed, the NOOBS who uses them. What about fining those people, set their skill level back to level 1 !!

Posted by: bwiqui on 01-09-2010

YouTube URL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugQWphJc168

C’mon Naughty Dog here is PROOF of people Cheating yet there is no action on you behalf.
You fine people for leaving games, if the NOOBS did not glitch maybe they have no point in leaving.

You fine the Innocent !
-Bad people hosting the game and then get dropped.

-Game freezing at the boosters screen. Have to reset.

You are loosing the Multiplayer experience to --Modern Warfare 2--

Listen to the people, reset the cheating ‘NOOBS’ skill level back to 1 that will fix them.

Otherwise what is the point of playing anymore.

Posted by: Thecooktom on 01-10-2010

Just played for 4 hours again and i went down four levels because of connection error. Since i got the game for christmas i´ve had 480000$ in penaltys… and lost about 12 levels. I have never in my life disconnected on purpose. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH ANY OTHER ONLINE GAME. Wake up naughty dog. You are really pissing people off.

Posted by: Zarky001 on 01-16-2010

This 40,000k penalty has happend to me 12 times which is 480k in cash. I really dont feel like playing and then lossing it all. They really have to take this penalty off or make it less money because this is wasting my time when I play.

Posted by: bangaali on 01-24-2010

The 40K penalty happened to me 3 times. Had it not happened I would have been at level 21 by now but I am still stuck at 15. I just dont feel like playing anymore, always fearing that I will get kicked out. My internet connection is good, PS3 is on DMZ. ND should do something about this.

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