Multiplayer spawn point updates

Posted by: Sentinelx7 on 03-22-2010

I usually have issue in the plaza, people tend to get bunched up on and around the “U” shaped road that goes around the crumbling building on the edge of the map. Today I had 4 players of the opposing team spawn right in front of me, then it happened again with my team.

Posted by: yomite500 on 03-22-2010

I can say that there is a noticeable improvment, but I can’t see that the problem has been completely solved. I agree with Felipe, that the Village is possibly the most affected, and the worst out of all of the maps. The Village and the Plaza should be considered to get fixed next. As the Plaza and the Village are the worst out of them all.

-Yomite

Posted by: Ron_Thunder on 03-22-2010

Still think the fort is bad.  Respawning in that little room and the bottom of the stairs is not a good thing.  The fight is always in the basement.

Posted by: JayLowe on 03-22-2010

Wow, I’m really surprised to see The Fort as one of the maps that was fixed. I haven’t noticed any difference at all, and I’ve played The Fort quite a lot over the past couple of days.

For example, I had a match on The Fort tonight and myself and this other guy killed each other via melee. I respawn and end up opposite him, we shoot each other and both die at the same time. I respawn and who’s there again? Yep, the exact same guy right in front of me. Again we both kill each other and die. Respawn number three - and once again we’re spawned opposite one another. That time though I managed to out-shoot him and get away, but seriously, THREE spawns on the run where we’re opposite one another. There’s no sense at all in that.

Spawning in those little rooms in the basement on The Fort is bad, as is getting spawned at the bottom of the stairs.

I was spawned directly opposite the enemy in the underground part of the Ice Cave a number of times, as well. Although I guess it’s not as bad as spawning right in front of people, so it is an improvement, in a way…

I don’t really play Facility, so I can’t really comment on that.

Village really needs fixing, though. Being spawned right in the middle of the map is horrid. That’s usually where all of the action is, plus you’re in the sights of both sniper towers.

Lost City is good, as is The Temple, as far as I’m aware. Sanctuary is fine, Train Wreck is fine. I think it’s just Village, Ice Cave and Fort that needs attending to.

Thank you, though, for your continual efforts. I’ve kinda warmed to 1.06 now. I’d still take 1.04 back in a second, but regardless, I appreciate you keeping us all informed.

Posted by: nillacoke on 03-22-2010

thanks ND, still need to fix the plaza.

Posted by: TowerOPower on 03-22-2010

Glad to hear about the updates.  Although like some others I am surprised to hear that the Ice Cave and Fort got the additional treatment.  The tiny basement room in the Fort still seems like a death chamber.  Also, the snowy cliff side of the Ice Cave can often be a shooting gallery whenever you spawn right in the middle of it.  Love the game anyway, but maybe not as much as I did back in the good old days of 1.04.  Sorry, but I had to say it.  This is still the best multiplayer out there in my opinion.  Thank you for the effort.

Posted by: dude901 on 03-22-2010

i think yall should check into spawning while playing plunder because a lot of the time if you grab the treasure as the villains and kill off the entire heroes team they pop up in front of us at our chest and then they kill us causing us to respawn behind them at our own chest i know that sounds weird but it happens a lot and it gives one team an advantage

Posted by: Mikey1123 on 03-22-2010

The facility spawns suck.

Posted by: Flapjack8796 on 03-22-2010

Thank you for all you have done for making U2 as good as possible. The Fort still needs some work but a HUGE improvement. Can wait for future DLC and improvements

Posted by: mikex6989 on 03-22-2010

uhhh well the PLAZA is the worst one by far, everyone spawns back and forth on the villains side of the map, so the ENTIRE game is played on that side of the map. its unbelievably bad. i’m just curious as to why 1.06 update screwed up all the spawns?

Posted by: VanillaCoke69 on 03-22-2010

Ive seen absolutely no improvement what so ever. This actually seems worse, Just stop all this nonsense and bring back 1.04 already!

Posted by: fadi002 on 03-22-2010

The Ice Cave hasn’t improved. I was playing an RPG Deathmatch with my friend and he always respawned in the villians side.
I have noticed a little bit of an improvement in the Facility but it still needs more work.
I haven’t played the fort in a while because it never shows up in matchmaking, so I cant comment on that.
All this wouldn’t have happened if you didnt change the health and weapon damage…

Posted by: Spiderman1985 on 03-22-2010

Just played facility and it seemed to be improved, but I need more time.  Just wanted to say thanks and also I hope that this calculation is used for all the maps.  Spawning the farthest point away from the opponent is the most important thing.  That’s how it is when the game first starts.  I’ll let you know more of what I think after a while of playing

Posted by: Morval_14 on 03-22-2010

The Flooded Ruins has been the map where I’ve seen the most problems.  In the outdoor part with the 3 two-story buildings, opposing teams kept spawning together behind the middle building.

Posted by: Demonicshadows2 on 03-22-2010

N.D. Do ya’ll play this game anymore? gezz you guys can’t see the things wrong with the game? come on! /// Bring back 1.04 game play ///

Posted by: SladeNoctis on 03-22-2010

Those 3 maps and flooded rains have some spawn issues. Especiallt flooded ruins it sucks to spawn with 4 people in front of a dude that random throws a grenade and catches most of us. Ehh horrible moments and funny moments well sometimes.

Posted by: gaarakgr on 03-22-2010

all the maps are going crAZY

Posted by: Naughty_Dog1121 on 03-22-2010

Thanks, you guys really try hard to make us happy!

Posted by: idkmybffkae on 03-22-2010

The Plaza needs major fixing.  People don’t even move around anymore because you spawn exact opposite sides of each other; you spend so much time in the “back area” (blue house rather than the red house) that the whole map doesn’t even get used like it used to.  That’s the worst one, and obvs the Ice Cave.

Posted by: SliceBlades on 03-22-2010

The Fort seemed alot better with not having people spawn ontop of me, or vice versa. However, it somewhat helped promote campers to stay in the starting points with the FAL, which slowed down the games start, because we kept respawning where we had just died basically

Posted by: nicchae on 03-22-2010

Arne,

1. The Fort - I believe spawning points have returned the way they were prior to the latest patch, which is to say ‘GREAT!’

2. Ice Cave - I think there’s still some problems with spawning problems here because I still have to check my left and right whenever I spawn at the lower end of the map.  This means that opponents do still spawn on the left or right side of me.  But I guess there’s really no way of going around this problem due to the small size of the map itself.

3. Plaza - There is a spawning problem in which opponent seem to repeatedly spawn on the same area where I just killed them.  I am talking abot the area that’s on the complete opposite side of destroyed car.  I think there’s spawning problem here which needs to be fixed.

Posted by: VanillaCoke69 on 03-22-2010

I just cant stop venting, Seriously I hope you guys read my comment I really do because im on the verge of breaking the damn disc in half. I just dont get it! Why would any game company go off changing crap we dont care about and when we do care about something they just dont * listen?! I DONT GET IT, Its like selective hearing with you guys, HERES HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.  *Settings* *Updates* *Set1.04* PROBLEM * SOLVED.

Posted by: MrEus-HoH on 03-22-2010

This kind of game has a lot of potential right now (especially with its competition) but the spawns and spectator mode still need improving.  Elimination is the best game setting to war another group on and it really sucks how you can watch the other team when you die.  The spectator mode (being able to watch both teams when dead) and the spawn situation completely kill any chance of this game being played competetively.  If they were both on point I think this game would have a chance of going MLG maybeee.  As of right now it cant even be active on Gamebattles.com.  The UC2 ladder has died.  The spawn situation makes deathmatch garbage to play friendly much less competitively.  BEING ABLE TO WATCH THE OTHER TEAM WHEN YOU DIE MAKES ELIMINATION RIDICULOUS TO PLAY COMPETITIVELY.  It really sucks because elmination is the best mode by far.  Phones/skype/other voice communication> elimination.

Posted by: MrEus-HoH on 03-22-2010

There will always be people complaining about respawns to some degree.  Some respawns will give you an advantage and some a disadvantage.  As long as its a slight one and not a huge one it’s fine.  The spawns still need some work.

Elimination on the other hand could be played by clans/teams.  It would be a great setting for competitive play on a site such as gamebattles.com.  As of now being able to watch the other team when you’re dead makes it way too easy to cheat.  PLEASE fix the spectator mode so you can only see your team when you die.  That would have the potential of bringing SOME LIFE to this game.  If you fix the spectator mode at least one aspect of this game will be near perfect.  Nobody complains about respawns in elimination!!  People have complained and don’t play competitively anymore because its so easy to cheat with a phone or skype.  People don’t like deathmatch competitively because the respawns suck.  At least make elminination cherry!!!

Posted by: Xx-UNCHARTED2-xX on 03-22-2010

i spawned with my enemy twice in a row in village and temple too. ND FIX IT!

im begging you i hate it when i spawn with the enemy!

Posted by: CARNlVORA on 03-22-2010

As for the maps that were tweaked, I have no issues with. They work ok.

I would just say that it might be good to look into spawn situation in Sanctuary. I have had some troubles with that map.

Posted by: Xx-UNCHARTED2-xX on 03-22-2010

anyway, REVERT TO 1.04! AND DECREASE THE LAGS YOU BROUGHT ALONG WITH THE 1.06 UPDATE!

Posted by: Decoy_Platypus on 03-22-2010

I was playing in the Fort level and I was at shooting people at a distance at the start point and people respawn right behind me, its not like you can hear them there,

Posted by: NearRivers on 03-22-2010

Arne, Naughty Dog.

I’ve played all the maps quite a bit on all game modes and have’nt noticed much of a positve difference in these spawn tweaks. So here’s a list of things I have noticed that might help you.

Problems that affect all maps-

-Enemies still spawn behind you. (even in matches with a very small ammount playing, 3vs3)
-Enemies often spawn in a cluster of 2 or 3’s at the same location (usually very close to/behind an opponent).
-In objectives mode/Turf War, enemy players often spawn at your only remaining base, while they could have easily spawned at one of their 2 captured bases. This is very unfair and can make Turf war a battle against the game as much as the players.
-Plunder, enemies will spawn ON your treasure chest as you are about to make a capture.
-Plunder, As the enemy team is about to make a capture, your team spawns impossibly far away, sometimes on the complete opposite side of the map.
-No consistancy in spawn locations (see above, Plunder).
-King of the Hill, even in small 3vs3 games one team can get the immediate advantage by spawning closer to the capture point. For example, on the temple KotH, The capture point is by the shotgun (it is currently in the enemies possesion) and me and an enemy kill each other at the same time, I spawn at the very lowest point behind the big statue by the heroes base, while he spawns up at the heroes waterfall - this is a significant difference in distance to get back to the capture point.

Map Specific Issues-

The Lost City- All Modes
The current spawn system seems to place respawning characters near enemies. I’ve noticed this happening very badly on The Lost City, to the point where all action will take place on ONE side of the map.
For example, you can kill someone only to have them respawn on the walkways right above you, you will then respawn on the same walkway where they previously spawned, creating a tedious circle

Ice caves - All modes
Say you kill 3 people very quickly, chances are that they will respawn somewhere on the map as a 3, usually close to an enemy.

The Villains base on The Ice Caves seems to be a very popular spawn point for either team, regardless if there are enemies or friendlies already there.
The small raised platforms on either side of the Villains base is also a popular spawn point, where you usually spawn with somebody convieniently in your crosshairs, who just happen to have spawned in the center of the base.

The Fort-All Modes
If a player is in the underground section, other players will start to spawn with them on either side of the exits and in the small rooms. This in itself isnt such a problem. However it is when you kill someone only to have them respawn behind you, giving the enemy an unfair advantage as they now have you surrounded in the underground from both sides.

The Flooded Ruins-All Modes
Whether or not the bad spawns here are a result of the way the game is programmed or the way the level is designed (non symmetrical unlike the other maps) I cant tell, but someone needs to look into this as it can create balance issues.

The Facility-All modes
the spawn points on either side of the submarine are a bit unfair as you can get shot from multiple angles, above an beside you.

This is all I can think of right now.

NearRivers

Posted by: ExtremeGamer13 on 03-22-2010

Can’t you guys just set different spawn points for each team, them being near the first spawn point? That could pretty much fix the whole spawn issue.

Posted by: Destined_Chaos on 03-23-2010

The Fort still needs a few tweaks with the spawns. Occasionally if I kill one or two guys and I die in the process. The next time I re-spawn the same one or two guys that I killed will literally spawn across from me.

Posted by: Briyen on 03-23-2010

I don’t have much spawn problems i really like 1.06 or 1.04

i Love the game!! keep it the way you guys want it!!

okay fort/facility had some cheap kills on me though.. spawn behind

Posted by: Harrijet on 03-23-2010

maybe thats what you fixed now but im asking anyway: cant you make spaws INDIVIDUALLY so you dont have to respawned together in a group with your team-mates? i mean, someone with a grenade launcher ready to fire...you know what i mean.

about flooded ruins: you notice that people are running to the center of all the action. flooded ruins, outside the grenade launcher/at the statue with 2 grenades.

facility: at the big glass-room and the double/triple stairs.

the stages are loosing it charm, flooded ruins is a typical sneak stage but everyone (mostly) are running against the action point once respawned to get kills (be killed).

Posted by: ivgenygigi on 03-23-2010

DEAR DOGS !!!
THANK u very much for hearing & doing

HOW about some information about the next DLC???

Posted by: PWN_N_U on 03-23-2010

Now, I’m not really one to be picky about my updates, but I seriously don’t see it. There are still issues for me on the Fort and Facility. Never had any issues on the Ice Cave myself, but have always had an issue with the Flooded Ruins. Seems like we need either more spawn spots, or a scripted spawn set up, so that you and your opponents cannot meet each other.

I would hate to see a scripted spawn set up for the fact that you will eventually catch the pattern, and know where people will spawn. But if you ask me, the recent update hasn’t even changed anything.

I would like to see more updates, ND, but don’t be straying too far from 1.04. I don’t know how the spawning areas got messed up since then, but it’d be in everybody’s best interest by not trying newer things, and looking back on how things worked in the past. I’m not saying go back and change health or certain weapon powers, but I am asking you to either use the old spawn system or make up a better system based off of the updates before 1.06.

Posted by: Harrijet on 03-23-2010

and IS there a chance to decrease spawningtime?
on the flooded ruins & facility it takes about 5 seconds to get on stage again.

the others: 10 seconds. Look, its not much but it feels much smoother to get on stage again and have fun! The low health-experience weekend it took 5 sec on ALL maps. Why is it 10 seconds now again?

Posted by: MidnightWolf360 on 03-23-2010

READ READ READ NAUGHTY DOG,
this has nothing to do with the spawn points, but
this is a question and idea addressing CLANS
If there is one thing you should add to UC2
it is the ability to FULLY CUSTOMIZE and MANAGE
your own CLAN AND CLAN ROSTER.  You should add
clan rankings into the rankings list, as well as
the ability to make a clan, manage a set capped
amount of clan members, and be able to invite people to your clan, as well as clan fight other
people, now that would trully be badass, i’m sick of trying to start up a clan on some other
bogus site, when i should be able to handle a clan in the game itself, just like killzone 2 clans.  also i hate that other people can steal your clan tag, you should make it so that once a leader makes a clan tag, then no one else can bear the tag, unless they join the clan by being invited from the leader.  there should also be clan rankings within the clan, like co-leader, captain, co-captain, soldier, or whatever.
PLEASE READ AND THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME

Posted by: evanem66 on 03-23-2010

Don’t see a whole lot of difference since the latest update. Still constantly spawning in one area of the map. ND creates these huge maps with tons of areas to explore, but because of the spawn points, most of the areas of the maps go un-utilized. All the action takes place in one little area of the map, and the games are finished in no time. I.e. The Fort, all takes place in the basement. Nothing happens up top in the long field. In the sanctuary, all the action is in the basement. In the facility, by the flatbed with the M4. Why make these maps with litterally dozens of areas to hide and attack, but because of the spawn points, we only use one little section to fight in? Game is nowhere near as fun as before 1.06 imo. Keep trying please.

Posted by: silk04 on 03-23-2010

I’ll try again after I get off work ND. I hope the ice cave is fixed. I played there and I kept spawning at the bottom part yesterday. The opponent had the hammer and was spwan killing there. Hope that i can spwan at the top sometimes.  i never complained about un2 but the changes to it are made for teams that camp. that what made un2 great was that u couldn’t camp till now :(

Posted by: RickDiculous on 03-23-2010

My only spawn problem came in the Temple. We were playing Chain Reaction and an organized party had pinned down our ragtag group in our own base hallway. They weren’t trying to capture the final hill, they just wanted to turn the hallway into a turkey shoot for the remaining time because my team would continually spawn in our base. I understand the game was trying to help us defend the final hill but I found myself wishing for a more random spawn to help us flank the party and surprise them.

Posted by: gardille on 03-23-2010

I did not have any spawning problem for the last 2 hours on the Fort and IceCave. The village is still the worst with the tank rolling over you…

Posted by: dhighdrated on 03-23-2010

spawns are still busted in ice cave. i hate killing all 5 of them, picking up the treasure and going down to the base to find out they’ve spawned right next to the case. that’s ignorant. also, i spawn camped facility last night just to prove i could. watched people spawn , killed them. watched them spawn at same place, killed them again. flooded ruins i spawned at at enemy’s hip. on huge maps like those, this should NEVER happen. it’s ridiculous and making me hate the game way more than weapon tweaking ever could…

Posted by: F__U__B__A__R_ on 03-23-2010

NO ONES GOING TO READ THIS CAUSE OF ALL THESE OTHER COMMENTS BUT PEOPLE ARE JUST ADDICTED TO CHANGE BOTH PLAYERS AND BUILDERS SO IT MAY SEEM LIKE YOUR DOING GOOD WITH THESE UPDATES BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING BUT AS SOON AS ND STOPS UPDATING AND COMING OUT WITH DLC THE GAME WILL SHIT THE BED QUICK BECAUSE BY THAT TIME IT WONT BE FUN UNLIKE 104 WHERE PEOPLE PLAYED IT FOR A YEAR OR MORE WITH NO UPDATES AN WHERE HAPPY ..... ND FACE IT YOU ASSH0LES FUKD UP

Posted by: el_Quinto on 03-23-2010

NAUGHTY DOG please consider another “experimental weekend” and bring back 1.04! I don’t think a lot of people took your first “experimental weekend” seriously, but now that people know that you mean business, I think you’d see much different feedback.

Posted by: el_Quinto on 03-23-2010

This WAS my favorite multiplayer game of all time. Before 1.05 I played Uncharted 2 every chance I got. I thought that I’d be playing the multiplayer until Uncharted 3 came out because it was so fun. I haven’t played regularly for months because of the updates. Naughty Dog I got to level 50 in both betas and the full game before you decided to go and implement 1.05. Why you decided to make such drastic changes to the games formula this far down the line is absurd. Stop this nonsense and bring back 1.04. Start working on what is important. New Maps. Your game only shipped with 7 when the norm is more like 12. I wouldn’t be surprised if Uncharted 2 never gets that many maps, because of the whole 1.05 mess that started it all.

Posted by: spme-1_2 on 03-23-2010

ND you must make in all the maps the spawn point because it’s a little stupid.Also i would like to tell you some things that you could do:

1.I want a double cash week soon.
2.If you can put the following skin for online (please): The Dead Explorer, Doughnut Lazarevic and naughty dog drake.

well i have an idea:i know the naughty dog drake skin is only for you at naughty dog but for example you could a giveaway and give to 10 winners a code for downloading that skin.as for the other 2 skins that i say before just put them because there are awesome.

3.New maps soon
4.maybe a new gun like crossbow
5.a new booster maybe but for level 45 and up.

well that’s all that i want to say to you ND.if you can do smth from these 5 things that i say and improve the spawn points on all levels if you can.

Thank you for reading my message ND and goodbye.

I love uncharted 2 online so improve it for love it more than now.

Posted by: SoLiDuS_187 on 03-23-2010

Pls. bring back a 1.04 playlist.  Alot of people were very hapy with that game and wont even bother playing anymore. 

Pls bring back a 1.04 playlist for people who dont like how it is but loved how it was in 1.04.

Posted by: meltron69 on 03-23-2010

The Facility is a lot better. Ice Cave is still questionable - at the snow ground (opponents spawning in sight or behind). Have not played Fort yet.

Subnote: Some medals like Rage, Rampant etc. are unreachable now, I guess. At the experimental weekend I voted for the “lowered health"-system. And really started to handle and like it. But in the meantime I lost the overview about all the updates and tweaks affecting gameplay. But something, somehow changed to the bader. Staying alive some seconds/a minute became really, really chrushing, if you are not a camper. Time after time my attraction went down. Today was the first time, I really thought about quitting this awesome game.

Eventually spawnpoints were changed to make some medals like Rage, rampant, Connect Four, Five Not Alive again possible. I dont know and I hope ND brings the spirit back to game. Sometime, somehow :D