Spawn point update - April 19

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We’ve recently released updates to player spawn points in all multiplayer game types except Plunder.

By arne | Twitter @arnemeyer | Monday April 19 2010

We’ve just released updates to UNCHARTED 2 player spawn points across ALL maps and in all multiplayer game types except Plunder.

All Plunder game types—in both the Plunder and Objectives playlists—won’t receive this update. We felt we still needed to do some work to improve the spawning in this mode since the way the games play out is pretty different to other game types. We needed some more time to focus and try to do the job right with Plunder, but didn’t want to hold up the release of spawn point updates on all the other maps and game types.

We’ve spent the last several weeks since the previous spawn updates working on and testing a comprehensive new spawning system that we hope will make a marked improvement in preventing unfair spawns—or surprisingly opportunistic spawns, depending on which side you’re on. We’re eagerly waiting to see how the system works when thoroughly strained by real-world match conditions.

Have at it for a bunch of games until you get a feel for what’s changed. Then head over to the NaughtyDog.com community forums and let us know how the update feels!

UPDATE: In further discussion with one of MP game designers and the QA team—I’ve learned that within Title Update 1.07 are some hooks that work with the spawn update that have shown a marked improvement in our testing. And that without TU1.07 we see only minor improvements. I may have jumped the gun a little on this one - sorry!

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Posted by: gmoney0505 on 04-19-2010

That’s a funny comment considering that the way the weapons are now, very unbalanced, those weapons would fit perfectly in the multiplayer now. If the weapons were still like they were in 1.04, balanced, then I would have taken that comment seriously.

Posted by: Nak3nSnak3 on 04-19-2010

true, this game suck now.dont know why ND want to make it even worse every time the put a update. It was the greates game of all time now its feels like uc 2 i just another one of those shooter without any soul. Drake was Bad ass now it feels like he have down syndrome. this game dies a slowly death ond soon it will be forgotten, not the singel player cus thats art. keep up the work ND but dont forget the hardcore fans.

Posted by: arne on 04-19-2010

Given our gameplay data of how the current balance of weapons are being used and how effective they are, they’re more balanced then before actually. We’re seeing relative parity across the starting weapons and alternatives that are supposed to be similar.

Posted by: elsencillo on 04-19-2010

you guys made the AK 47 powerful and accurate when the AK47 is not suppose to be accurate in the first place and made the FAL completely useless and weak.. I don’t understand how you can call that “Balanced”.. 1.04 all the weapons were “balanced” but not now.

Posted by: arne on 04-19-2010

That’s not an accurate description of either weapon. The AK-47 is a less accurate at long range without boosters, mostly due to the high recoil, but works well as a short to short-medium range option. The FAL is a precise medium- to long-range option and is balanced well for that. Previously the FAL was very much a power weapon compared to the AK-47 given how plentiful FAL weapon pickups were on the map.

Posted by: arne on 04-19-2010

Well, first they’re not included in our MP side of things. Then we’d have to do a thorough set of testing with the weapons to see how they fare with the other weapons on the map and if they feel distinct enough to add them. For example, the in the case of the Wes-44—I can see it not being that much different than the Desert-5.

Posted by: Tjc99 on 04-19-2010

I have posted a comment simliar to this before
but I believe this is a great/funny idea
Uncharted Beach DLC
New Map:
Beach (From the flashback cutscene)
New Skins:
Beach Drake
Beach Lazarevic
Beach Flynn
Bikini Chloe
Bikini Elena
Please comment on my idea
Feedback would be great
ND if your’e reading please take into consideration, It’s more of a joke but I could see alot of people buying it.

Posted by: COUNTRYclown on 04-19-2010

hmm. i wonder when ND will respond to its many many many fans that want to know if 1.04 could make a come back and save the game?? i dont think ND has all its fans in mind when posting these blogs, yes ive heard spawning is a huge problem wasnt a problem when 1.04 was here oh and i here the damage and fire rate on guns are a problem , wasnt a problem when 1.04 was around, and the gernade damage is to weak to get a kill, guess what wasnt a problem when 1.04 was here?? what was wrong with 1.04 oh it wasnt a campfest it is now

Posted by: COUNTRYclown on 04-19-2010

shooters our in my mind just that shooters , not hide in the corner and shoot you with a shotgun , go prone in the bushes and snipe , wtf happened to this run and gun game that made the most talented shooters stand out, mw2 users your not getting your care packages or calling down an air strike so stop the moderncampfare style of play nad its not all your fault ND seems to love this style of play expect to go prone in uc3, its all B.S in my mind games our as you buy them correct the flaws inthe game dont change the whole damm thing idk , be nice to here a response but that wont happen. the more ppl talk about 1.04 the more dlc they wanna put out, lets stay on topic ND 1.04 whats up????

Posted by: arne on 04-19-2010

We’ve already mentioned a few times that we’ve been happy with the way our iterative updates have been progressing. It’s not perfect, but we are not considering a wholesale return to 1.04 levels as we saw other fundamental issues in gameplay that needed to be addressed.

Posted by: LiamZan on 04-19-2010

Yo I Know.... But ND PLEASE, PLEASE, Why are the punches more powerful then gun shots? Please fix this?! and DO NOT raise the guns power just decrease the punches. every match i will always get shot 2-4 times then punched to die?! It Makes NO SENSE!!! Please Fix This Issue.. But thank you for fixing the spawn points, and one more thing. How Much Will The DLC Cost For Canada?! and Thank You for reading This.

Sincerely, A Fan That Is Worried About The Game

Posted by: NIGHTLUFFY01 on 04-19-2010

Umm if you say melee hits are too power that because health and weapons are off balance which if they try to improve melee it will throw everything off balance. Which will make Uc2 go from suck to Sucking sorry ND but your updates aren’t worth wild.

Posted by: wjlee_28 on 04-19-2010

Hey can you tell me how updates work??? For example for this update (Spawn fix) do WE have to update our PS3’s or is that for 1.07,1.06,1.05 etc. etc............will WE have to update for something like this ??
Cheers

Posted by: PeteX19 on 04-19-2010

Hey Arne played about a hour and a half on U2 just now and there is an improvement from before but only minor.

The Sanctuary has been the best it felt like the spawns felt in older updates.

Sadly the smaller maps like Ice Cave are still terrible. I just played a match and it was the same story of I spawn kill a guy right in front of me then get killed from behind.

All my matches were played on TDM hope this helps you work on somethings.

I will play again when 1.07 comes out but im not very hopeful the spawns can ever improve with the current health and weapon balancing you have at the moment. The spawn problem is a definate backlash of changing these two elements of gameplay imo.

Posted by: demonsgalore on 04-19-2010

im thoroughly strained too. i hope so much youve done good work, so ucking much! cant wait until the weekend. i am currently at the german army and strip my services without internet on my ps3 during the week.

Posted by: samuelcd1997 on 04-19-2010

lol, i like the this blogs picture- ive seen that happen loads of times! Anyway this is very good news but what about 1.07? you said it was ‘prior to the dlc’ and the dlc is now 3 days away so give us information!!!

Posted by: pickupdoctor on 04-19-2010

Skill is earned, so good, don’t buy DLC and let real fans of the game enjoy it.

People stop complaining about past, we are at 1.06 and moving on to 1.07 on Thursday. For every person that sucks now, but apparently was awesome back in 1.04 there is a person now that is awesome with 1.06. All you need is a little practice and you will be back in it.

Yeah things have changed so get over it and stop crying.

Posted by: Cregan4584 on 04-19-2010

Arne, since the store updates on Tuesday now, is the pack being released tomorrow. I’m not sure if updates on Tuesday are happening at a later time but according to Pulse, they are updating the store on Tuesdays.

Posted by: kingrich15 on 04-19-2010

Hey arne in the new TU can we choose our own skins for co-op? When i play with some of my friends they quite the game because they are not happy with the skins they got. Because of them backing out i can never finish a mission. Your #1 fan kingrich

Posted by: Titus_Apollo on 04-19-2010

Hey arne, I was wondering. Will naughty dog ever consider placing a free for all and a multi team (2vs2vs2vs2vs2)game play modes. These would be sort after, and a refresher against the ongoing herds of clans and the annoyance of team weapon killings.

Posted by: Darth_Mark on 04-19-2010

That is an interesting idea, but I don’t think they could do that. Team Doubles or FFA Deathmatch would be really cool but the maps aren’t really set up for that. With how bad the spawn points were for the last month I can’t imagine those match-types being any better if integrated into the existing maps. That doubles match-type does sound VERY fun however.

Posted by: Xanth93 on 04-19-2010

Thanks a lot, Naughty Dog. I’m glad you guys are taking care of this issue. I have to see how it is when I get access to my PS3 on Thursday. I’ll be buying the DLC that night.

I have three questions, Arne, and I hope you answer them for me.

1. Will the DLC be split like the last one? You know, where the skins were separate from everything else.

2. When will we see a spawn point update for Plunder?

3. Will this or the title update fix the lagging issues that have occurred recently?

Posted by: dhighdrated on 04-19-2010

Arne, until you all have the spawning figured out in Plunder, how about you push out the same update the other maps were blessed with to Plunder as well. Because honestly, whatever you did to the other modes can’t be worse than Plunder is now. I’m tired of killing all 5 people, walking 5 feet and having to kill them again between me and the base. it’s ridiculous. so just push out the spawn update universally while you all continue to work on a permanent plunder spawn solution. please.

Posted by: DTS_MAN on 04-19-2010

Arne is there any reason why i keep getting in games of only 6 players, this seems to be happening a lot lately. I notice the daily count is up. Am i just unlucky at the time of finding games?

Also is there any chance to make the ticker a little faster and move it to the finding player screen...i never really want to hang about too much because i want to get into games.

Will check the spawn update when kids asleep

Posted by: B_Smiley on 04-19-2010

yeah, I have the same problem.

I played about 6 matches today and 3 times I encountered this problem,and then it kicks out all the players at the time when we vote at which map we play. and before the game starts, it’s take me back to matchmaking.

Posted by: BrushYourTeeth on 04-19-2010

I found myself most aggravated by the spawn problems in Plunder, specifically a match I had last week in the Ice Caves. They opposing team ONLY spawned at our treasure chest, making scoring a near impossibility. The game went the full time and everyone averaged 50+ kills and there was about one or two captures of the treasure.
It was frustrating for quite some time. That was about the only map I really had a problem with about spawning. So I’m still playing and still going to buy the DLC on Thursday, but I’ll be looking forward to when you guys feel you’ve refixed the Plunder spawn issues.
Otherwise, keep on keeping on NaughtyDog.

Posted by: griever666usa on 04-19-2010

How about making glitchers not shoot through walls anymore? Or at least not see all the players on a blue screen?
Or how about making a report system for glitcher, or a way to kick the out of the game.
Why ND does not care about the glitching problem at all? Why is it that you never answer to this kind of questions?

Posted by: Luxis on 04-19-2010

Hey Arne, did you talk with the designers and characters folks about those skins?

http://i40.tinypic.com/nh135c.jpg

You told me so the last wekk
I really hope you could do that, also including Heist Chloe with the museum map would be a great idea.

Posted by: Custer134 on 04-19-2010

BRING BACK THE GRENADE RADIUS!
Seriously the only way you would get a kill is to shove the grenade up their ass next to their heart. Now the grenade could only kill ants standing on it, probably not even. The grenades were PERFECT, honestly. Now it’s just wrong.. *throws grenade at a persons feet* *blows up* “I’m okay!” that does not happen in reality.
Now we end up dying because you throw the grenade and they just get up and shoot you and you die. All because of you throwing a grenade.. I almost never use grenades anymore because of the worst update ever called 1.06

The FAL fire rate decrease pissed me off too, but i’m not agitated by the sniper decrease

Posted by: SquareSide on 04-19-2010

Any word on fixing the 3-4 booster glitch that so many people ON MIC talk about and use?!?! I played a level 60 the other day(Love-Nasser or something) and he had the revenge booster but was using Evasion + Bandoleer(something like that). But when I killed him he’d crap out a grenade. -_-

Posted by: ClubUgly on 04-19-2010

Ok, before anybody posts any repetitive stuff, please go read the first posts of each blog entry that details what to expect in 1.0.7

Q. Can we get 1.0.4 back

A. No! ND has posted this a few times now - Please Read.

Q. Why can’t we have crossbow and other weapons, you say the game is balanced?

A. Balanced does not mean multiplayers gaminig - It means balanced throughout all game modes. For example returning the DragonSniper back to 13 shots in Survival mode will auto change it for multiplayer too. This is why all the complaints trying to please MP fans has hurt all the other game type fans.

Q. When ND going to fix all the spawning issues?

A. READ THE FIRST POST OF THE RECENT BLOG ENTRIES INCLUDING THIS ONE.

Q. When can we play our paid and unlocked skins in Survival, Goldrush and Co-op?

A. Has not been address yet.

Q. Why does ND not answer my posts?

A. You were prolly abnoxiously rude at one time or another and they are trying to stay clear of you LMAO!

Posted by: SquareSide on 04-19-2010

Whoops, I replied to someone when I didn’t want to. Here’s my post: “Any word on fixing the 3-4 booster glitch that so many people ON MIC talk about and use?!?! I played a level 60 the other day(Love-Nasser or something) and he had the revenge booster but was using Evasion + Bandoleer(something like that). But when I killed him he’d crap out a grenade. -_-”

Posted by: Cregan4584 on 04-19-2010

Naughty Dog’s dumbest move was changing the bullet damage and farting around with other aspects of MP when they did two beta’s and had the game in great shape when released. They will bring 1.04 back if they wanted to make the fans happy.

Naughty Dog, here is a challenge to you for you to face the facts. Put a poll up asking if players want 1.04 back.

Just have the option of “yes” or “no”. Don’t add misleading options like “maybe” or “possibly, but give it it’s own playlist” like you did when you first put the poll up about asking if we liked the experimental weekend. You’ll see the real answer to the question then.

I can understand not putting new weapons in would be a pain. Plan on it for Uncharted 3.

Spawns were never a problem before 1.04. No idea what you guys did but someone screwed it up.

Naughty Dog already said no new skins in co-op.

Arne answers my posts all the time and they are never nice. I am voicing my concerns about a game I love to make it better for the community (I feel i stand with the majority). It’s nothing against him and hopefully he realizes that and doesn’t get teary eyed. Being a member of public relations for Naughty Dog after they released 1.05 has to be a VERY tough job, but I give the man credit for keeping his cool.

Posted by: arne on 04-19-2010

Putting up a poll regarding sentiment for 1.04 wouldn’t solve anything as we’re not considering a wholesale return there. All we would be doing is creating expectations that we would not fulfill, which would be terribly damaging. We will continue to iterate forward to improve the game based on gameplay and anecdotal data. Sorry!

Posted by: Harrijet on 04-19-2010

me & peoples complaints:

1. BLINDFIRE: im sick of these idiots who run for blindfire and kill. How can you possibly kill one with blindfire SO easily? How kan a light push on the fire button then punch-button and bang, youre dead, so easily, Wheres the logic in that? I HATE when people go for the pistole/shotgun and do blindfire, ALL people go for blindfire with those weapn, no aiming, just shoot and hope for luck and you get a kill. Wheres the aiming? Wheres the skil? The more i observe this game has turned out to be a hay-wire run n gun game with blindre. C´ mon, you can kill one INSTANT with a sniper rifle, IN BLINDFIRE..?! Pathetic. Do somethin, decrease the blindfire damage with 50 %. MAKE/FORCE PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO AIM AND THAT WITH ALL GUNS!

2. Glichtes glitchese and even more idiots. I spend time sending them “nice” messages via psn to make them * think why they even try cheat. This can be solved easoily, have this videoreport. Ban them, end of story. If this not appear...than i dont trust this company.

3. Spawning, enough said.

Posted by: mew_frenger on 04-19-2010

i recently came back after a long break from this game. played probobly 3-4 months after day 1. and wth??! the respawns are completly broken. turned the game off after 2 matches. hope u guys can make it back to the way it was. coop is still great tho, might buy the new pack

Posted by: Vrals597 on 04-19-2010

ND you saying that you are listening to your community is getting to the point of being complete bs because if you were to look at all of the YouTube videos from your older fans, pre-1.05-1.06, and all of the comments on here you would bring the old stuff back btw is there any way you could let us choose our weapons to spawn with before a match begins? It would pretty nice knowing that there is no rush for some of those grenade launchers/shotguns

Posted by: Harrijet on 04-19-2010

A question that many wonder:

When will we able to spend our earned money? As level 60 you have gotten everythin. Speaking of level 60, when will we able to exceed lvl 60? Or Maybe that will NEVER happen?

Why is it so easy to get skeleton skins now in siege pack? Sure, you still have to get platinum and beat it on crushing to get exklusive ones. I wanted the special skins to just that, EXCLUSIVE.

Oh about USELESS boosters:
Silent move, why use it when you just need to purchase the ugly ps heros-skin pack with no voices?

Monkey man, you climb faster with it but the stupid thing is that EVERYONE jumps up the ladder, whick is twice as fast then climbing with monkey man booster. How did you think about this one? Obviosly nothin. When i read about much climbing parts in the highrise i thought monkey man would finallyu be of use, but i tried it and nocited that is completely useless.

There are boosters that makes differences but the two i mentioned above is a riddle.

Lets see how...well *cough* the spawning points have become and how we “we´ll like” 1.07. Screw 1.04,

Posted by: RecessBeginsNOW on 04-19-2010

Hey Arne I was just wondering if we can get an exclusive skin if we get all the multiplayer trophies, just like the single player but a different skin. And if theres enough multiplayer trophies can it have its own platnium?? ANother thing, will you continue to make DLC?? it was keeps the game alive.

Posted by: ClubUgly on 04-19-2010

Everyone should read the first post to get the new naughtydog forum link and post in the forums. These blogs get filled up so quick that it’s terrible to even weed through the responses. Start a poll at the ND forums.

Posted by: Morval_14 on 04-19-2010

Glad to hear spawns are being fixed for Plunder. Have y’all considered maybe limiting some of the smaller maps (i.e. The Fort) to 3v3 or 4v4? On some maps, it seems like no matter how ‘fixed’ the spawns eventually get, the maps feel a little overcrowded with 10 players swarming all over them.

I’m okay with the way the damage and the weapons are working (maybe slightly widen the grenade radius), but can you do something about getting shot through stuff? Sometimes when I’m in cover with my health depleted, someone still manages to kill me through the wall/random piece of debris (this seems to usually occur when someone has the Down the Irons booster on).

Finally, is there a way to combat griefers/glitchers? I’ve had some bad luck in matchmaking recently and gotten teamed up with players who spend more time killing their team members than playing the game.

Keep up the good work!

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Spawn point update - April 19

We’ve recently released updates to player spawn points in all multiplayer game types except Plunder.

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